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Dec 19 2018

WW: What’s Wrong?

Category: Egress,Fire Doors,Wordless WednesdayLori @ 12:47 am Comments (15)
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Eric Laidlaw of Jensen Hughes sent me these Wordless Wednesday photos…I’d love to hear your theories/analyses of what’s going on with this opening.

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15 Responses to “WW: What’s Wrong?”

  1. cda says:

    It is not in the USA.

    Is the door closer installed wrong??

    I wonder what the four bolts are for, on the latch side of the door.

    The sign uses that dreaded word “Fire Door” and not related to a rated door.

  2. Brian says:

    Sign says it opens to street…I’d guess it had a “paddle flap” for emergency use, but it was able to opened from the outside because it wasn’t properly installed to prevent the latch from being pried.

  3. Eric Rieckers says:

    I-occupancy? Memory care?

  4. Michael Glasser says:

    Pull station is too high. Door closer isn’t color matched to the door. Door isn’t centered in the hallway, which makes my symmetry alarms in my head go off. Oh yeah – the pile of bodies is missing from inside the door in this picture. They’ll be there if there is a fire and people get trapped by the thumb turn.

  5. Sharea says:

    It’s part of the path of egress to an emergency exit. It should not have a thumb turn. At least not in the states. It should have panic hardware or something where you can open it from the inside without unlocking it or prior knowledge.

  6. Tim says:

    This probably was a SVR Exit that utilized a standard 161 cutout between the chassis and the outside trim. SVR Exit was removed and a 161 cutout compatible deadbolt was installed into the 161. The edge was probably prepped for a latch already as a stock door was used and an edge blank installed to close the prep. The screws shown along the vertical axis are thru-bolts that are used to plug the holes where the vertical rod holders were located.

  7. Shane McCord says:

    Possible gate latch?

    Maybe associating fire door with the pull station?

  8. Nelson Dayton says:

    The door closer is installed “regular arm”, but door opens out. Should be parallel arm. Also, probably should have an exit device.

  9. Jim Elder says:

    the carpet is really ugly!

  10. Rich McKie says:

    Could the door have been prepped for a 35EO device and the installer did not receive the hardware when needed (or just didn’t have a clue?) and drilled the hole out for a deadbolt with the aluminum plate using the holes originally prepped for the panic bar thru bolts?
    Honestly that wouldn’t surprise me I have seen carpenters who are not familiar with commercial/institutional hardware do stranger things.

  11. David Barbaree says:

    If it’s a fire door, it may not be self latching with the deadbolt.

  12. Adrian Holley says:

    I wonder what is on the other side of the door? Possibly a hazardous area? And I would be interested in what is happening on the pictured side of this door. Lots of questions here!

  13. David Federico says:

    Believe it or not this door does comply. However a panic device or lever would be better . The so called deadbolt may in fact be a deadlatch . Like Schlage’s B250 but appears to be an off shore brand due to the design of the thumbturn.. in any case this door only requires a single operation to open . The through bolts may well be an exterior astragal for a full length latch protector

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