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Jul 18 2018

WW: Hanging by a Thread

Category: Door Closers,Wordless WednesdayLori @ 12:20 am Comments (7)
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Jess Dey sent me today’s Wordless Wednesday photo…SCARY!

 

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7 Responses to “WW: Hanging by a Thread”

  1. Cda says:

    Looks like someone got tired of fixing it, to many times??

    Or ran out of drill bits and screws

  2. Anthony Wan says:

    What wonders a closer mounting plate can do…

  3. Bryan says:

    Wow,
    just wow!

  4. Jess the door closer doctor says:

    Cda,

    when I asked the store owner, she pretty much told me she didn’t know it needed screws, I am guessing she got the LCN 4041 off ebay and it didn’t come with screw packs more less a drop plate (4040-18TJ) after me telling her about the dangerous situation, she thanked me for letting her know.

    I did see what looked like pilot holes for the typical closer format such as the LCN 1260, I guess she wanted something much heavier duty

    I wasn’t trying to scare her but basically said 4 machine screws now or lawsuit later when the 13+ lb door closer falls on someone’s head when one of the coathanger wires breaks.

    the only funny part about this, it was within walking distance of a big box hardware store!

    If I had more time to spend at the location I would have installed it as push side paralell and made a PA plate (or got one from a door/building supplier in the area) and used all 4 screw hole locations to secure it.

    …people wonder why I keep basic tools in my car!

    I hope to check on the door in weeks or months to see if it was installed correctly.

    not sure if anyone noticed the red tape on spring tube, I suspect that was put there to hole the green dial on the end (it used to snap on and hold tightly to the hex of spring tube, I guess the edge of dial broke off)

    People usually ask me one of 2 questions,”do you get bored working on door closers?” or it’s “what got you started?” it is situations like this that keep me going as some installs make you wonder what the installer was thinking (or drinking)!

    As for being bored, I have been at it since 12 years old, I am 33 now and still enjoying it no matter if it’s giving advice/repair or rebuilding the closer unit itself. 😀

    -Jess the Door Closer Doctor

  5. Peter Schifferli says:

    Improper LCN 4040 installation, top rail is too narrow for conventional top jamb application; requires 4040XP-18TJ adapter plate, used where face is less than 3-1/2″ and requires 1-3/4″ minimum head frame.

  6. Chris Strauss says:

    I am sure that they are complaining the door slams or does not ever close as well. Do you have any documents that show the geometry and what happens to the valves when the closer is not installed per template? Just ran into a similar issue while on a job for Allegion and Tom Riddle, but it was a Sargent closer.

  7. David Barbaree says:

    Aluminum storefront frames are rarely specified to be heavy-wall or otherwise reinforced for mounting closers, even ones with drop plates. The screws end up loosening and you get what I found at one school, an LCN 4820 pneumatic auto operator hanging by the 1/4″ pneumatic tube swinging over the heads of the kindergarten class. The thin-wall aluminum could no longer support the weight and torque forces of the operator.

    I’m surprised we don’t see this more often.

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