View Larger Image WW: Hanging by a Thread Jess Dey sent me today’s Wordless Wednesday photo…SCARY! You need to login or register to bookmark/favorite this content. By Lori Greene|2018-07-05T22:39:43-04:00July 18th, 2018|Door Closers, Wordless Wednesday|7 Comments Share This Story, Choose Your Platform! FacebookTwitterLinkedInRedditWhatsAppTumblrPinterestEmail About the Author: Lori Greene Related PostsNone found Recent Posts 7 Comments Cda July 18, 2018 at 7:03 am - Reply Looks like someone got tired of fixing it, to many times?? Or ran out of drill bits and screws Anthony Wan July 18, 2018 at 3:07 pm - Reply What wonders a closer mounting plate can do… Bryan July 18, 2018 at 3:18 pm - Reply Wow, just wow! Jess the door closer doctor July 18, 2018 at 4:17 pm - Reply Cda, when I asked the store owner, she pretty much told me she didn’t know it needed screws, I am guessing she got the LCN 4041 off ebay and it didn’t come with screw packs more less a drop plate (4040-18TJ) after me telling her about the dangerous situation, she thanked me for letting her know. I did see what looked like pilot holes for the typical closer format such as the LCN 1260, I guess she wanted something much heavier duty I wasn’t trying to scare her but basically said 4 machine screws now or lawsuit later when the 13+ lb door closer falls on someone’s head when one of the coathanger wires breaks. the only funny part about this, it was within walking distance of a big box hardware store! If I had more time to spend at the location I would have installed it as push side paralell and made a PA plate (or got one from a door/building supplier in the area) and used all 4 screw hole locations to secure it. …people wonder why I keep basic tools in my car! I hope to check on the door in weeks or months to see if it was installed correctly. not sure if anyone noticed the red tape on spring tube, I suspect that was put there to hole the green dial on the end (it used to snap on and hold tightly to the hex of spring tube, I guess the edge of dial broke off) People usually ask me one of 2 questions,”do you get bored working on door closers?” or it’s “what got you started?” it is situations like this that keep me going as some installs make you wonder what the installer was thinking (or drinking)! As for being bored, I have been at it since 12 years old, I am 33 now and still enjoying it no matter if it’s giving advice/repair or rebuilding the closer unit itself. 😀 -Jess the Door Closer Doctor Peter Schifferli July 18, 2018 at 4:36 pm - Reply Improper LCN 4040 installation, top rail is too narrow for conventional top jamb application; requires 4040XP-18TJ adapter plate, used where face is less than 3-1/2″ and requires 1-3/4″ minimum head frame. Chris Strauss July 20, 2018 at 10:11 pm - Reply I am sure that they are complaining the door slams or does not ever close as well. Do you have any documents that show the geometry and what happens to the valves when the closer is not installed per template? Just ran into a similar issue while on a job for Allegion and Tom Riddle, but it was a Sargent closer. David Barbaree July 21, 2018 at 8:35 pm - Reply Aluminum storefront frames are rarely specified to be heavy-wall or otherwise reinforced for mounting closers, even ones with drop plates. The screws end up loosening and you get what I found at one school, an LCN 4820 pneumatic auto operator hanging by the 1/4″ pneumatic tube swinging over the heads of the kindergarten class. The thin-wall aluminum could no longer support the weight and torque forces of the operator. I’m surprised we don’t see this more often. Leave A Comment Cancel replyComment Don't subscribe All Replies to my comments Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. You can also subscribe without commenting.