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May 24 2017

WW: ABC7NY – Underground Dance Dangers

Category: Egress,Videos,Wordless WednesdayLori @ 12:09 am Comments (12)

Call me naive, but I always assume that when tragedy strikes, people will learn from it and try to avoid similar incidents in the future.  Unfortunately, ignorance mixed with greed often stand in the way of life safety.  After Oakland’s Ghost Ship fire which killed 36 people, I thought organizers might think twice about “underground” music events held in unsafe venues.  Apparently not, according to ABC7-NY.


Note:  Some of you may remember that I asked the fire department to visit a nightclub with some similar problems.  It’s up to all of us to keep these venues safe.

12 Responses to “WW: ABC7NY – Underground Dance Dangers”

  1. Cda says:

    I use to work for Glenn

    So the building did have sprinklers.

    Wonder if they were on????

    So why didn’t the tv station call the police and fire????????

    It would have made great tv to watch Pd and FD show up,,, and see what they do…..

  2. Eric Rieckers says:

    Our industry spends huge amounts of time and money educating designers, engineers, architects, and building officials about building codes and egress. Perhaps it’s time we focus on the general public as well.

    • Lori says:

      I have been thinking about that for years…how to add something about closed doors to the stop-drop-and-roll curriculum, educating people who live in apartments about the value of their entry door, a coloring book, a class for firefighters…so many ideas, but alas, I have not yet cloned myself.

      – Lori

  3. Bryan McKeehan says:

    What Eric said!

  4. LachSr says:

    It’s too bad there isn’t some sort of a fine that could be levied against the TV station that covered this event because the station didn’t alert authorities at the time the party was going on.

  5. Eric says:

    The fact that the media was there, witnessed the potential for a catastrophe and still did nothing about it speaks volumes. If something would have happened that night after the news crew left, I think the station could/should be held liable for not making a call immediately. They knew the dangers and did nothing about it. All so they could tell a story. I agree with Cda, they should’ve called and waited for fire and police crews to arrive. That would’ve made a better story.

  6. David says:

    Notifying the authorities would have killed the story and would have made bad TV . I agree they should have called the authorities during the event but that would have constituted a raid and perhaps people would have been injured in the rush to escape fines . I cannot believe for a minute that the landlord that was interviewed after did not know what was going on in his building .

  7. Brett says:

    A crazy number of people here posting more about the TV Crews supposed responsibility, rather than the owner responsibility. Lets focus on facts here, not speculation.

  8. Mark Williams says:

    Scary! Very Scary! I guess I wonder why if there was a vacate order and $600,000 in fines outstanding, the building wasn’t padlocked by the city and put up for auction? At some point, the owner loses their rights to ownership. If someone gets a number of drunk driving violations, they lose their driving privileges…..

  9. Vincent Chestnut says:

    I don’t know anything about New York’s vacate laws, but it seems to me that there should be some teeth in the enforcement area…Like a manager showing potential renters the building? What’s with that?

  10. John Payson says:

    In the 99% likely case that there is no fire and everyone goes home uninjured, the best outcome would be for the building owner to be visited by a fire inspection crew during business hours. Shutting down the concert would run the risk of a riot, and would thus in and of itself pose some dangers. Having a fire crew set up operations so as to slash their response time should a disaster occur might be good, but I don’t know if departments would have the resources to do that without hurting response times elsewhere.

    I wonder if there might be some benefit to allowing building owners the option of paying for a fire crew during concerts in lieu of various other fixes? Doing so long term may not be cost-effective, but if it would take a building owner two weeks to bring something up to code, and expected profits from the concerts during that time would exceed the cost of a fire crews, such an approach might be better for all concerned than shutting down the venue pending repairs.

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