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Answers to your door, hardware, and code questions from Allegion's Lori Greene.
Jun 03 2015
Thank you to Todd Reeves and Deputy Jeff Tock, both of Allegion, for today’s Wordless Wednesday photos!
LCN Closers. Tougher than a Ceco door!
Big gust of wind? Door not reinforced.
Allegedly it was a kid.
Now just imagine a fix with two small screw eyes and some tie wire to hold the tubular cylinder against the door. That door had a 20 minute rating and we are not talking fire here.
Not everybody has the budget that I get to work with, I could buy a new door. How would YOU fix this on a budget? Or if you were a tenant with an absentee landlord?
Duct Tape! UL Listed of course. 🙂
Recently (Friday?) a rubber band and some duct tape solved a problem with a lock handle. How could duct tape be used here??
couple of things I see wrong here,
1. holow metal door
2. where are the thru bolts when you need them??
3. look at the spring tension setting on the closer, (5)
add 1,2 and 3 together, its a recipe for disaster and a closer peeling off the door(quite litaerly in this photo!)
…….now I wonder how long it will be before this LCN 4111 pic becomes part of another brand’s marketing material (will not say who) like another LCN-close-pulled-away-from-door photo on a compressed fiber wood door.
-Jess the door closer doctor
forgot to add,
first time I seen an LCN 4111 do a full peel to where it’s standing at right angles to the door (only thing contacting door surface is the end plug)
an overhead holder/stop could have also prevented this from happening as well
ill also take a guess, this in a SCHOOL??
shocked I have not had the question from the employee about it, and what to do.
Sure blame a kid!!! The real culprit is the person that didn’t spec (or supply) a galvanized finish on an exterior door. That isn’t brown paint on the inside.
No, the real culprit is the guy that didn’t specify or supply a closer reinforcement on the door and then didn’t install it with sex-nuts/bolts.
And that door is in Florida, where there is NO humidity or tropical storms.
As a former school district lock Smith, I fully believe it could be a kid. We’d tell manufacturers they needed to make their product stronger, and they’d say “but it’s PRISON grade!” Then we have to gently break it to them that schoolchildren are just like violent felons, only there are no guards to keep them from beating up the door hardware. I’ve seen Schlage L spindles with nearly 90 degrees of twist to them.
Thru bolts would have been better than nut certs…. But a 4011 set to 5? Something’s gonna give
Do those closers normally come with nutserts, or is that a previous ‘repair’ for stripped screws?
Where is the rain drip above the door?
I’ll bet there isn’t an inverted steel channel reinforcing the lite kit either!
Nothing like painting the door with the hardware already installed! So much for those silly specs anyway.
Factory should use better glue to attach the door skins to the honeycomb! LOL!
This never happens with spring hinges!
The bright side….We get repeat HM sales!
but they did save the expense of a closer reinforcement in the door
Not much to add here, but I will bet the backcheck was ‘set to stun’ instead of getting a stop for the door. As such, kicking the door will move all the force onto that skin. My best judgement is that even thru-bolts would not have have saved this door since thin metal sheet is the same thin metal sheet on both sides.
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