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May 23 2012

WW: Problem Solved

This photo was sent to me by two different people and had made the rounds before it got to them, so I don’t know who to give photo credit to.  Anyone want to admit to coming up with this creative solution?

18 Responses to “WW: Problem Solved”

  1. Eric Henken says:

    I wonder what is on the opposite side of the closed door that made this their first choice.

    • Lori says:

      I was wondering the exact same thing Eric. Wouldn’t it have been easier to move the closer than to cut a hole in the other door?

  2. Brad Keyes says:

    Wow…

    Talk about field-engineering. I would be ashamed to find out if this happened in a hospital.

  3. Eric Henken says:

    Or that the the door with the hole is rated.

    • Lori says:

      You and I think alike. Scary.

      • Eric Henken says:

        That we think alike or that the door could be rated?

        • Lori says:

          Both. Scary that someone might cut a hole in a fire door (I’m guessing the person who cut the hole would have done it either way), and also that someone thinks like I do. Do you also have a habit of looking at every door you walk though and taking pictures of random hardware during family outings?

  4. Ron Hansen says:

    Maybe this way the closer arms do double duty and act as a coat hook, too!

    • Jess says:

      Ron Hansen: I have seen that happen, there is a post that Lori made a couple years ago that shows a swing hanging from a closer’s arm, (I believe it was submitted by Eyal Bedrik of entry systems from Israel).

      I kinda wonder what the max weight rating is on a closer’s arm if it’s intended to be used as a coat hook?? i know LCN does not test for this, but could be interesting to find out if they did.

      -Jess the door closer doctor

  5. Jess says:

    Lori:

    i was one of the people forwarding this to you, this is not something i did, i do have a friend in Germany that sees this alot, but is not involving LCN 4040/4010’s but it’s usually the wall next to the door that gets a hole, for the body of the closer, not a hole in another door for the arm of another closer.

    this was forwarded to me by Mark at LCN, instant laughs for a way to fix a problem with a pull side closer and allowing another door to swing all the ay open and avoid the closer’s arm from being in the way.

    i have a feeling it was a customer of an IRST product distributor who then forwarded it to the workers at LCN.

    the proper way to fix this, there is a reason why LCN 4040/4041’s come with that angled bracket that has 5 holes on one end and 2 on other (RW/P-A shoe bracket to mount closer on push side of a door) that would cure this situation without cutting a huge hole in a door to make room for a closer’s projecting arm.

    the use of the bracket may not work depending on if the closer in question is a 4040/4041 or the 4010, as the spindle shaft on a 4040/4041, the arm can be repositioned on the shaft, as the shaft is hex in shape, but won’t work on the 4010 becuase the arm pinion shaft is rectangular and arms only go on one way.

    some closers that have their covers on are alittle hard for me to identify unless i see the opposite side (where sex nuts are) to see the bolt hole pattern, bracket should work if this is a 4040/4040.

    -Jess the door closer doctor

  6. B says:

    Interesting, if you look at the opening with the closer the frame has face screws at least two that I can see additionally it appears to be without a return making it flush.

    Could it possible be a door into a elevator pit and they did not want anything on the inside?

    That is my WAG

    • Lori says:

      I noticed those screws too. It’s possible that your W.A.G. could be correct. I think I would have gone the track closer route.

  7. Dave says:

    The door with the hole does not appear to have a closer..so maybe its not rated, but if this person would cut a hole in the door what are the chances they would remove a closer. They are out there working amongest us …be very afraid.
    Ingenuity run amuck!!

    • Lori says:

      I agree. Someone who would use this creative solution might not know the requirements for a fire door. The door in the photo may not be a fire door, but the next one that a creative solution is applied to may be.

  8. Chuck Park says:

    B, I think you’re definitely on the right track with your WAG.
    The door with the closer is also not as tall as the door with the closer arm relief cutout. Like you, I’m thinking it’s a hatch into a mechanical space, or maybe a large laundry chute door(they require automatic closers).

  9. Joaquim Monteiro says:

    It looks like they did this for a reason, think about it, as you open the door with the closer, the arm pushes on the other door thereby swinging it out of the way. Ingenious!

  10. Joseph Vaida says:

    In all my years with LCN this is one of the most unique “solutions” I’ve seen! Great post!

  11. Martin J. Kaywork says:

    At the very least…they could have framed the opening with door molding, a better look to it.

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