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Mar 30 2011

WW: Vertical(?) Rods

Thank goodness it’s Wordless Wednesday because I have no words for these photos.  Well, no words other than – deadbolts aren’t allowed on double-egress doors, and UL listed hardware can’t be modified.  Believe it or not, these exit devices actually work (as long as the deadbolt isn’t engaged!).

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Photos submitted by an anonymous architect who can recognize a hot mess when he sees one.

7 Responses to “WW: Vertical(?) Rods”

  1. Jim White, AHC/CDC says:

    As funny as these pictures are, it really scares me that people unknownly compromise our life safety with their inovative fixes.
    Even though these doors work now, how will they perform during a fire?
    Better yet, what if they can’t perform for egress when the deadbolt is thrown?

    • Lori says:

      I couldn’t agree with you more, Jim! The devices only allow egress when the deadbolt isn’t thrown, and double-egress doors typically need to allow egress in both directions – ALL THE TIME. I can’t believe that at some point during the process of thinking up this “creative” solution, installing the deadbolt and strike, cutting and welding the rods, and putting it all back together, someone didn’t stop and think that maybe there’s a reason this was a bad idea.

  2. Roger Black says:

    And even more incredible, judging from the use of mats for safety side protection with an automatic operator and an old Locknetics # 490 latch release (hopefully) tied into the fire alarm system, the first pair with the 8827 devices has probably been in use 10 to 15 years! Looks like a hospital/healthcare application and if so JCAHO inspectors should have caught that many years ago.

  3. Zeke says:

    Where are the door closers, concealed overhead auto operator I would guess. The widget at the top of the 8827F is a fire alarm controlled rachett release assembly mfg’d by Locknetics years ago

  4. Jeff Tock says:

    At least they thru-bolted the devices and latches!!

  5. leftcoastpdx says:

    Vertickle rods, because they tickle me to look at them.

  6. Darren Patton, FDAI CDT says:

    I would have concerns about the Sargent 8700, I see a strike in the floor and that device will not work properly without a bottom rod. The model that is less bottom rod is weighted in the chassis assembly.

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