I saw this video posted on the BANG Forcible Entry Facebook page and I thought of y’all. I’m sure you’ll quickly spot the problem with this training video on how to defeat a door with panic hardware. 😀
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I could see it work, if the door really had panic hardware, and not a bathroom door, that swings in, and appears to have an electric strike.
First off – push side and cylindrical lock.
Second – I don’t like this video as I’ve seen this a lot in break ins at retail stores and could easily be found and increase that rate.
I don’t see any evidence of panic hardware, why would there be any on a restroom door, but even if there was, I don’t see how they could breach the panic hardware by just breaking into one side of the door leaf.
The clip ended too soon, I wanted to see what a “pull side” panic bar looked like. I have never seen one before even though our Design and Construction staff have asked for them a few times.
I also wanted to see that! And yes, I’ve had Design teams ASK for a pull side panic. I really wanted to see how it integrated with the cylindrical lock. That said, even if for illustrative purposes only, that’s a lot easier said than done. I also always remember what my first boss in this industry told me: Locks are meant to keep honest people out. Unfortunately, as soon as you make something theft (or idiot) proof, they will find a bigger thief (or idiot).
No. Just no.
I’m glad (hope) they know how to put fires out!
Besides the fact that the exit device is in the pull side of the door?
Somewhere in the fine print, it must say “For illustrative purposes only”. I’m pretty sure no one has invented an exit device that mounts on the pull side of the door.
Seems like a tremendous amount of work , especially when you’re still guessing where the push bar is on the other side of the door.
I volunteered several years with a local VFD and was trained in the use of a rabbit tool. Would seem that tool would be much more efficient in time and effort.
Either way, you’re either destroying a door a frame or the hardware.
Um, what exit device? They’re on the push side of an in-swinging door! I suppose that’s why the video suddenly ends when they put the 90º rebar through the door and find out that there is no exit device. This was about as silly as one of the videos I saw a couple of years ago showing a teacher and students barricading their classroom door with desks and chairs, but the door swings out to the corridor!
This isn’t a door with panic hardware. I believe they’re just using the rebar to turn the inside lever.
Panic hardware should be installed on the push side of the door not the pull side.
This is just a wild guess but…. the door opens in and therefore the device should have been staring them in the face. Lol
It’s training where you find it. Here’s a video where they are demonstrating how simple it is to beat a hole in a wall, next to some windows. Clearly they didn’t miss them, someone allowed them to destroy that property, so they took great advantage of it. Good tradecraft, that angle tool, actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMR7ucgwlU
Ok, Ok, Ok I hear you all talking GREAT points however as a former Training Officer I have to let you guys in on a secret. Sometimes… we don’t get the proper door to perform training, in fact I can say we almost Never get the door we would like. Budgets don’t allow Fire Departments to purchase enough doors and hardware to have 15-20 personnel to actually have hands on experience with a forcible entry drill. Yes one of you stated that the phrase “For Demonstration Only” needed to be added to the video and you would be right!! This may have been videoed as an alternative procedure if they don’t have a Rabbit Tool. Please keep in mind that emergency operations such as this are often performed in little to no visibility with smoke conditions where you can’t see your hand in front of your face. There can be a number of reasons why they are performing the operation. I just wanted to possibly explain why fire departments have to do what we do. Thanks, Kevin
Hi Kevin –
I completely understand that sometimes fire departments have to improvise on their training. With that said, I’ll bet fire departments could get plenty of doors and hardware by connecting with their local door suppliers. I’ve facilitated some of these connections in the past and everyone loves to see the old doors and hardware repurposed! 🙂
– Lori
Lori,
I’ve been able to get some locks and hardware from a local locksmith but doors are still hard to come by. Storage also is a problem as fire station architects often don’t think about storage 40-50 years after the station was built. I know, not your problem. I just wanted all of your folks to understand there’s more than meets the eyes sometimes. Merry Christmas and keep up the GREAT JOB!!! Kevin