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Sep 07 2016

WW: Double Trouble

Dave Carter of Allegion sent me today’s Wordless Wednesday photo – taken in a restaurant.  You might be thinking, “Maybe this isn’t a required exit…” but I’m thinking, “If this wasn’t a required exit, they probably wouldn’t have installed panic hardware…

Double Dutch

19 Responses to “WW: Double Trouble”

  1. lach says:

    Is that top leaf double hinged?

  2. Charles a says:

    Looks like the door has been repurposed a few times.

    Maybe use to be serve window for a patio

    Exit for the kitchen

    Exit for the dining

    Looks like you either walk into the kitchen or a drink service station

  3. Matt Wildman says:

    Double-Egress

  4. Andrew says:

    Whats going on with that top leaf jamb? On another set of hinges or falling off?

    Also, creative use of a spoon…

  5. Michael Pedersen says:

    Double the door leaves, double the panic devices, double the egress. That’s how that works, right?

  6. Lee Francisco says:

    Is that a spoon attached to the lower leaf!?!

  7. John Payson says:

    Do those doors close to the same plane? Something seems very weird with the hinge placement. Perhaps the purpose of the panic bars is not to allow egress, but to allow a someone to open the door while both hands are occupied?

  8. Ken Hunt says:

    The spoon is an important part of the locking system

  9. Jonathan says:

    Hmmm…. I wonder what the spoon is for? Is that required by the ADA?

  10. Ron Hansen says:

    The “Surface Spoon Bolt” is quite unique!

  11. Julia says:

    I want to know what the signage on the door said. You can see where a sign was removed.

  12. Joel Niemi says:

    No doubt activated by the “single action” of running into the doors, and releasing both latches.
    And de-activated with the drop-down door holder.

  13. David says:

    Once again words escape me …perhaps they are catering to the small and tall people of the world .lol Obviously not a fire Door. No closure . kick down hold open . Must go to a patio . Necessity the mother of invention .looks like they had a velcro attached sign on the door above the top exit device .. I wonder if it said if your taller than three feet duck …

  14. Greg says:

    What’s up with the upper-leaf’s hinge jamb?

  15. Mike Meade says:

    The spoon is my favorite part. The thing I can’t understand is the difference in the hinges from the top panel to the bottom. Are there two sets of hinges with a short vertical piece of wood in between? Is this to let it lay flat against the exterior wall, even though the door is recessed?

  16. David Scott Kenyon says:

    Quite the hardware arrangement. It appears that the spoon is to keep the upper door leaf from swinging inward. Notice the depressed area where the upper leaf has been damaged by the spoon. Perhaps a throw bolt might have done a better job ? The dutch door appears to close over the threshold and directly in front of a double swing kitchen door. Seems odd that there would be two doors in such a close proximity. The panic devices are probably there to open this door when the kitchen door collides with it ? This wooden door does not appear to be an exit door nor rated.

  17. Terry Crump, FDAI says:

    That top leaf IS double hinged–note that the latch stile is much wider than the hinge stile. That might have been done for a swing-clear situation. Because there’s an Eliason door in the opening, it must be a service door to the kitchen. My guess is that they just used old doors they already had instead of buying new. But what REALLY bothers me is that electrical wiring right above the door.
    Ther’s no way that’s compliant with any code.

  18. James Hanna says:

    Cheaper than buying a new door? I don’t have the amounts available to me right now but aren’t those both Von Duprin 22EO 36 US28 devices and aren’t those at least $300 each? Aren’t doors around $300?

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