Lori is the Manager, Codes and Resources for Allegion, and the creator of iDigHardware. With more than 35 years of experience in the door and hardware industry, in her current role she focuses exclusively on the code requirements that apply to door openings.
Just maybe the turn piece is a classroom function where the bolt can be retracted and not thrown? Maybe there are turn pieces on both sides? The counter on the right side is higher than vanity height indicating that we are looking at the outside, if so there isn’t enough clearance between the door and the counter to meet ADA???
Raymond Holman, AHC
January 27, 2017 at 1:31 pm - Reply
Ditto the previous comments. Assuming the deadbolt is thumbturn both sides, why is it even there? I see a privacy lock below but the whole deadbolt thing is odd, to say the least. It also seems odd to me that a restaurant is allowed to have a single-stall, unisex restroom. I get from the note that the restaurant is an extension of the gas station but….
OOPS, MY Bad, just deadbolt on backwards. what can i say it’s Friday….
Bryan McKeehan
January 27, 2017 at 3:34 pm - Reply
Without a pic of the other side I will say it is a DIY privacy deadbolt with a thumb turn inside as well.
Slows down those who don’t knock.
Might be a couple of mortise thumbturns in a cylindrical type of deadbolt that uses mortise cylinders.
Why is the room identifying sign on the door dangerous?
It’s not a fire door.
John Borchmann
January 30, 2017 at 10:30 am - Reply
Looks like the picture is from inside the restroom. I see what looks like a vanity on the right side of the picture. If so, either the sign is on the wrong side, or its just to remind customers where they are so they can tidy up before exiting.
sorry folks, I disagree to some extent. The outside thumb turn is wrong, but it is positioned in a non working alignment and has to be non functional. If this is a standard screw in mortise thumb turn, it cannot operate the lock from the position it is in. The cam mounted in the one o’clock position would not hit the appropriate pieces inside the lock to move anything. I suppose that there could be some model of slam latch mortise device that the thumb turn could retract the latch with this orientation, but that would be wordless Wednesday material and really confusing.
Thumb turn on outside
Wonder what is on the inside??
I’m guessing a key cylinder.
– Lori
Room identifying sign should not be on the door, it’s dangerous where it is.
Also, something is clearly blocking the maneuvering space over on the right, and that deadbolt is just a world of trouble.
Seems like that paper sign’s info should also be in braille, and maybe tactile characters.
I don’t see any problem with the lever, so that’s good.
The deadbolt is turned around so you can lock someone in the bathroom. Why? I don’t know!
– Lori
No Braille on the second sign?
Good catch, Jeff. As a healthcare safety and security manager for a good many years, that would have been my answer, too. 🙂
The thumb-turn for the Dead bolt is from the outside!
Does the Dead Lock have a Thumb Turn on the Inside as well?
If Not = People will be Locked inside.
If Yes = Anyone can open it.
Lori,
Having a Latchset and Deadbolt Violates Egress Code of One Operation to Egress.
True, but this deadbolt is installed the wrong way so you can lock the person in the bathroom!
– Lori
Maybe it is back to back thumbturns.
Just lock the person inside the bathroom from the hallway, no big deal..
Just maybe the turn piece is a classroom function where the bolt can be retracted and not thrown? Maybe there are turn pieces on both sides? The counter on the right side is higher than vanity height indicating that we are looking at the outside, if so there isn’t enough clearance between the door and the counter to meet ADA???
Ditto the previous comments. Assuming the deadbolt is thumbturn both sides, why is it even there? I see a privacy lock below but the whole deadbolt thing is odd, to say the least. It also seems odd to me that a restaurant is allowed to have a single-stall, unisex restroom. I get from the note that the restaurant is an extension of the gas station but….
OOPS, MY Bad, just deadbolt on backwards. what can i say it’s Friday….
Without a pic of the other side I will say it is a DIY privacy deadbolt with a thumb turn inside as well.
Slows down those who don’t knock.
Might be a couple of mortise thumbturns in a cylindrical type of deadbolt that uses mortise cylinders.
Sounds like everyone has had a rough week and are a bit punch-drunk! 🙂
I can’t believe they used Antique Brass finish – that is so 70’s (last century, not temperature).
“and if you don’t use those other restrooms, we will lock you up in this one”
What about approach clearances around the door?
Why is the room identifying sign on the door dangerous?
It’s not a fire door.
Looks like the picture is from inside the restroom. I see what looks like a vanity on the right side of the picture. If so, either the sign is on the wrong side, or its just to remind customers where they are so they can tidy up before exiting.
I’m pretty sure it was on the outside. I didn’t take the photo, but that’s what I was told.
– Lori
sorry folks, I disagree to some extent. The outside thumb turn is wrong, but it is positioned in a non working alignment and has to be non functional. If this is a standard screw in mortise thumb turn, it cannot operate the lock from the position it is in. The cam mounted in the one o’clock position would not hit the appropriate pieces inside the lock to move anything. I suppose that there could be some model of slam latch mortise device that the thumb turn could retract the latch with this orientation, but that would be wordless Wednesday material and really confusing.