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Dec 01 2017

FF: What happened here?

Category: Fire Doors,Fixed-it FridayLori @ 12:36 am Comments (12)
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I know some of you are good at hardware forensics…what was the motivation for this and what modifications were made?  BTW…this is a fire door.

Thank you to Western Mass Door and Hardware for today’s Fixed-it Friday photo!

12 Responses to “FF: What happened here?”

  1. Bob Caron says:

    My guess is that the SVR device on the left had its thumblatch deactivated and converted to nightlatch function or no key operation at all. The SVR device on the right was changed to a rim device with a nightlatch function. One of the thru-bolts for the bottom latch of the door on the right seems loose so that’s why I’m going with no SVR device on that door. Also, the new cylinder is more centrally located like you would typically find on an NL rim device and it is moved closer to the other door to allow it to latch on it.

  2. Charles says:

    Top locks have failed??

    Added the dead bolt on the right side?

    Both doors use to have panic hardware on both doors?

    Right one release lever missing on the picture side, and no more panic hardware on the non picture side, for the right door?

    Maybe no more panic hardware at all, on either door???

  3. rb says:

    The motivation was obviously to make it look nice.

    My real guess: The hope is that this is not a fire door and it was set to be dogged open during business hours for simple push/pull. Or it’s Night Latch function.

  4. ADAguy says:

    non-compliant field alteration by M & O staff.

  5. Richard McKie says:

    I think that Bob is probably correct, but boy, did they ever do a sloppy job!
    The new pull plate could have been drilled for a cylinder(or ordered that way)and mounted on the door on the right. The door on the left could have had a matching plain plate as you only need a key cylinder on the active door of the pair. Hope they have a coordinator!

  6. Gary Bakken says:

    Push/pull, surface bolts and deadbolt…why? A: because…easier that way.

    Suppose it was cheaper, obviously aesthetics’s weren’t important.

    They probably got tired of having to use a key or thumb piece.

  7. Harvey Malone says:

    I would guess this was a lockout situation. You see the bend going across the middle of the faceplate. Looks like they had to wrench out the cylinder and bend down the trim to gain access to the vertical rod to release the top latch. Notice the cylinder on the right is upside down. Those bronze Crome plated thumb latches can bend so that it doesn’t pull down on the top latch enough to release it. Then I’m guessing they didn’t know how to get the right replacement hardware and went with what they could get at the local hardware. Chances are that the top latches are gone and the panic hardware on the other side now only serve as push bars.

  8. Curtis Meskus says:

    Maintenance arrive to fix the problem and has no clew about door hardware or requirements.
    All maintenance need was to fix the door to stop the calls and work tickets from coming in.

  9. Jim Elder says:

    Note that one of the cylinders has been turned upside down. To me this looks like the shop guy had some spare hardware but did not have any blank cylinders. Whatever reason, I now appears he violated the rating.

  10. John Dalrymple says:

    Originally SVR x SVR w/ TP trims both leaves – TP trims don’t meet accessibility standards so (let’s hope) converted to EL rim x SVR w/ NL operation.

    New problem – power transfer device not listed for use on fire door if door loops, field modifications to fire door assy. for EPT or E-hinge not legal without field inspection by testing authority, etc., etc….

    In this case, labor (presumably in house) was “cheaper” than purchasing a new frame, doors, hardware and installation.

    Pay now, or pay later. They opted for later, but when these doors undergo the requisite annual inspection for fire doors, they should fail. I guess that’s “later”.

  11. Bryan McKeehan says:

    Used to be a fire door!

  12. Daniel Poehler says:

    I believe Harvey has ‘nailed-it’ folks. Note the wire glass lites. My guess: this is a pair of egress doors from an assembly or education occupancy. Don’t you just love hardware!

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