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Jun 01 2016

WW: Cross-Corridor Door

Brian Lane of Allegion sent in the photos below (via Deputy Jeff Tock).  The push side photo is a little fuzzy but it’s necessary for understanding the context of this opening.  This is a cross-corridor door in a health care facility.  The wall behind the door MUST be temporary (I hope!), but wow.  I am truly Wordless.  And yes – the panic hardware is too short as well.

Push Side  Pull Side

14 Responses to “WW: Cross-Corridor Door”

  1. Cda says:

    The wall does not look temporary.

    It has molding installed at the bottom.

    • Lori says:

      I saw the base molding too, but how could this wall be permanent? Maybe just wishful thinking on my part.

      – Lori

  2. Michael Pedersen says:

    “Hey, the ADA requires a 10 inches flush bottom rail. We should use an LBR exit device!”

    “Ok! But let’s use this spare 36″ model we have lying around instead of buying a 48″. Oh, and should we make sure that the door is actually physically capable of opening?”

    “Nah, she’ll be right.”

  3. Anderson says:

    From the pull side looks like it´s temporary, looking at the radiology sign

  4. Terry Crump, FDAI says:

    Even if it’s a temporary wall, how could it get approved? Also, that is not a 2 3/4″ backset on that exit device–as required by VonDuprin for fire rated doors.

  5. Jerry Richmond, AHC/CDC says:

    The wall must be temporary… the door has a wall mag, so, at one point, it was held open at 90º or thereabouts.
    Also, the lite kit doesn’t meet the maximum 43″ AFF to visible glass.

  6. Nitramnaed says:

    I’m sure it’s temporary. Working in healthcare before the finishes and materials are often brought up to minimum requirements for cleaning and such. That’s why you see the base, level 5 drywall, and paintwork.

  7. Kent Krauser, AHC,FDAI says:

    Oh, it’s a WALL STOP! LOL!

  8. Andrew says:

    The opening had to be there before the temp wall was installed. How else would you swing those hinges?

  9. Frank Ehrman CPP PSP says:

    Cannot help myself….

    Needs Signage above the exit device

    Sorry, not really a laughing matter, who would allow this to happen even temporarily

  10. Marcus Muirhead says:

    How could what get approved? The same way that gym doors chained together get approved: Just do it. Don’t have it reviewed or inspected or permitted, just do it.

  11. John says:

    Wow funny. I know exactlly where this door opening is. I happenend to work there last week. Yes the wall is temporary. Hospital is under construction but is occupied. I even asked the GC last week about this. I wondered how many people a day try to push through and slam their face into the door.

  12. Karl says:

    Healthcare often uses double egress doors and exit devices on doors that are not required exit paths, or where occupant load is less than 50, providing greater ease of movement with no center mullion. The blocked leaf may not be required. And the wall is clearly temporary.

  13. dave lorentzen says:

    temp wall. rubber base is there to make the wall look as nice as possible. 1st clue is the wall is framed to the bottom of the ceiling grid. I would love to see what’s on the other side of the wall!

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