I have never seen anything like these Wordless Wednesday videos that were sent to me by Mary Hinton of Mulhaupt’s, Inc. This may be more than a rain drip can handle.
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Too bad there is no photo from the outside.
The camera would have gotten wet!
– Lori
Exactly how many feet of water are on the other side of the door?
oh yeah, and TEST
You passed the test, Lou! 😀
– Lori
That’s typical florida hurricane weather. Nothing to see here, folks.
Gee whiz, kinda hard to specify for outswinging exterior HMDs with rain conditions 18”/hr coming in horizontally. Does look like the gasketing package was under-specified here, though…and poorly installed.
BTW, we’d be happy to have some of your extra rain out here in SoCal!
The installer shouldn’t have cut the weatherstripping for the PA closer bracket, ESPECIALLY since it’s the wide kind designed for installing first and THEN installing the closer arm bracket.
Based on the width of that weatherstrip channel, my assumption is that it’s like the Pemko 2891 that is specifically designed to have the closer mounting bracket install ON TOP OF/THROUGH the weatherstrip, eliminating the need to notch the weatherstrip. This would apply to the overhead stop bracket, also. LCN has several ST- numbers to address this. (I know, these are Sargent closers but…) It looks like they may have notched for the exit device strike, too. They only have to do that if it’s a fire rated opening. I wonder how long the alarm kit lasted before it shorted out?
It looks like it must be coming in from a failure of the large transom windows above. Note the big windows in the reflection in the water on the floor in the first video.
I did not know that Florence had made land fall yet
With the amount of water coming in, I doubt there is a drip cap with a substantial lip. This video is a good example of why we should specify and use 1/4″ solid perimeter gasketing for an unbroken seal along the header and jambs. The gasket is mounted first, then the hardware brackets are attached to the thick gasket housing. I always had a note in my hardware set indicating to mount the gasketing before any soffit applied hardware. Of course, we all know how well some installers read the hardware schedule and the manufacturer’s instructions, don’t we?
Nothing a custom made rain drip cant fix…
There is more than just a door/frame issue. Look at the water collecting in the shadow of the exist sign on the drywall in video #1. Water is getting inside of the wall as well. Always fun having to learn other trades so we can prove to people that there are multiple issues going on and why something is not working correctly. Also have to agree with everyone else that bad installation on closer & weatherstrip.
When you have a blowing rain like that water will find away in, the design with the closer and the overhead stop makes his notch even wider. I don’t know why they didn’t go with a closer with a stop arm, see this all the time. heaftier weatherstrip would have helped.. As far as mounting the closer on top of weatherstrip, its been my experience that when called to a job to hang exterior doors the frame nor the doors have been painted. the supt wants doors and closers on and maybe a lock. weatherstrip might not even be on the job. secondly the closer instructions call for the measurement from the stop not bottom of weatherstrip, this causes confusing to someone unfamiliar with closer install, i do this every day so i know but you general carpenter is going to follow instructions in box. it never tells you to add that 1/4”, not only that but could possible need longer screws in some closers. just my 2 cents worth !!.
Hi Ken –
Thanks for sharing your insight and experience!
– Lori
I failed to metchion he has support bracket for overhead stop at wrong end..