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Oct 24 2016

WWYD? Arched Door – Auto Operator

Category: Accessibility,Automatic Operators,WWYD?Lori @ 12:36 pm Comments (15)
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One of my coworkers asked me about this application – automatic operators on the push side of an arched door.  The proposed solution is below the photo, but I’m wondering if there are more aesthetically-pleasing options.  I think floor-mounted operators are too difficult to install in this existing opening.  Any other ideas?  Keep in mind we need to maintain 80 inches of clearance, or 78 inches to the arm.

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15 Responses to “WWYD? Arched Door – Auto Operator”

  1. Michael Pedersen says:

    Some bright spark needs to come up with a side-mounted auto operator. Mount it in the wall next to the frame, have a track running along the top of the door with an arm assembly… Whoever fills that niche first is gonna make themselves a little bit of money.

  2. Glenn says:

    In this application it would be nice to see the operator(s) installed above the door opening. Not sure if LCN could provide extended shafts to get the operator up out of the opening but it would be a cleaner application.

  3. Ryan says:

    We are proceeding with rectangular doors, and making up the arch in the framing at the head; however, I would prefer to keep the arched doors!

  4. Roger Black says:

    Been done many times with LCN #9540/9530 series operators. There are factors such as the distance between the side wall and frame that limit the application but its a fairly easy installation overall. Did it many times when the interior ceiling of a vestibule was flush with the frame header and we couldn’t cut into the ceiling to semi-conceal it. Don’t think LCN has any “special templates” for it though.

  5. Dave Curis says:

    Wonder if a pair of door mounted ADAEZ door operators might do the trick? They can either run on battery or trickle charge.

  6. Alan James says:

    Indiana University?

  7. Gary J. Bakken, AHC says:

    If it is desired to be a nice clean looking opening, I would use a Floor Auto Operator/Closer. There are manufacturers that make them (i.e., Dorma ED400 for example). There are also others that mount on wall, but not the greatest (size (bulky), clunky, etc…depending on which you use. I personally wouldn’t use floor closers on exterior in areas of extreme weather (i.e., Midwest, Alaska, Canada, etc.)…however, if you do, there is a product called the Moose Loop (if still in business) that could be used with a floor closer to help against the extreme weather.

  8. Bryan McKeehan says:

    Dorma ED900 mounted parallel to the sloped portion with the double lever arm pushing the door out. I would imagine that an LCN Sr. Swing could do the same thing. It would look funky but should work fine, albeit the opening torque would have to be increased some to compensate for the angular push.

  9. Bryan McKeehan says:

    Might consider a single operator wall mounted reverse hand with just a portion of the housing encroaching the opening and the spindle located just far enough from the frame edge to allow the arm to go out just past 90 degrees and the door swinging well past 90 degrees.

  10. Alan James says:

    Maybe, but it has been 26 years since I lived in Bloomington. My memory is a bit fuzzy.

  11. Darren Patton says:

    Y’all are killing me. In ground floor operator.

  12. Daniel Poehler says:

    The client would probably have a fit if you cut into the stone at the jambs to install a closer. I don’t like the idea of rectangular doors with an arched transom. There just isn’t enough of an arch to aesthetically work. You basically keep the ugly situation on the push side eventhough the closer works. Is there anyway you could extend the armature of the closer? Locate the closers above the arch and extend the armature down 4″ or whatever it takes to clear the arched top.

  13. David Newkirk says:

    There is a company that specializes in this… they convert may operators to work in hiding. http://opconusa.com/applications.html

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